[tango delta 1]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12...pray-aisle.html A Muslim bus driver stunned passengers when he pulled over and started praying in the aisle - with the engine still running

i wonder as a driver whould we get a parking ticket i we we done this? :whistle2: :whistle2:

[Fedster]

tango delta 1, on Feb 8 2010, 05:49 PM, said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12...pray-aisle.html A Muslim bus driver stunned passengers when he pulled over and started praying in the aisle - with the engine still running

i wonder as a driver whould we get a parking ticket i we we done this? :whistle2: :whistle2:

Some of the comments in the article from the passengers are so pathetic, it is amazing they have been published,yes the driver should not have stopped to pray, but get over it, and stop being so ignorant.

"I thought it was a terrorist attack" I think this woman has been watching to many movies.

[tango delta 1]

Fedster, on Feb 8 2010, 05:59 PM, said:

Some of the comments in the article from the passengers are so pathetic, it is amazing they have been published,yes the driver should not have stopped to pray, but get over it, and stop being so ignorant.

"I thought it was a terrorist attack" I think this woman has been watching to many movies.

just go,s to show you what people think when something like this happens :innocent: :innocent:

[Fedster]

tango delta 1, on Feb 8 2010, 06:11 PM, said:

just go,s to show you what people think when something like this happens :innocent: :innocent:

I dont know what you mean when you say "something like this happens" at the end of the day, nothin major happend,they had a measely 5 minute delay, and knowing public transport as i do a 5 minute delay is nothing.

Where i work, i get the chnace to pray, on my breaks,this guy didnt pray on his break, thats all, he has had a warning of his bosses, end of story.

This really is a non-story.

[tango delta 1]

Fedster, on Feb 8 2010, 06:17 PM, said:

I dont know what you mean when you say "something like this happens" at the end of the day, nothin major happend,they had a measely 5 minute delay, and knowing public transport as i do a 5 minute delay is nothing.

Where i work, i get the chnace to pray, on my breaks,this guy didnt pray on his break, thats all, he has had a warning of his bosses, end of story.

This really is a non-story.

what i was quoteing was the ladys comments and just stopping like that to pray.

[lonestar]

Fedster, on Feb 8 2010, 05:59 PM, said:

Some of the comments in the article from the passengers are so pathetic, it is amazing they have been published,yes the driver should not have stopped to pray, but get over it, and stop being so ignorant.

"I thought it was a terrorist attack" I think this woman has been watching to many movies.

What a pathetic, politically correct, response. This woman has every right to be angry and to be honest, fearful. You might not accept that the sight of a Muslim on a London bus chanting could cause alarm and distress and it might affect your liberal values to learn that it does but do not insult this woman by saying what she should and should not fear.

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Transport for London said it had apologised to all the passengers for the delay to their journey and said all Muslim drivers are being reminded that they should pray during statutory rest periods rather than hold up services.

A TfL spokesman said: 'A route 24 bus was delayed following a decision by the driver to stop the bus to pray.

'The bus company, London General, has had a word with the driver as this is not something that should be happening.

If a white, Christian, British driver had stopped the bus and started praising Jesus in the aisles for five minutes he would have been removed from his position or at least suspended while an investigation took place, this is a clear example of companies being petrified to act in line with their normal policies when dealing with Muslims in case god forbid they might offend anyone.

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TfL and the individual bus operating companies acknowledge and value the diversity of their staff.

Can anyone tell me why? How is a Muslim bus driver better than a Christian one, or Jewish, or Sikh, how is a foreign bus driver better than a British driver. Why must we always be told that more nationalities, languages and cultures = better than what we had before, why devalue ourselves like that, sure it is different, but what makes it so much better.

Personally I find that the bus service in London is not as good these days, the driving standards are worse, the safety standards are worse, the quality of English spoken by the drivers is much worse and so I would challenge them to find me the 'value' they speak of. Of course I am clearly a closet BNP supporter and a crazed racist for even challenging the mandatory PC view, however just once in a while it would be nice to a bit of fairness go the other way and a bit less blatant denial that the double standards exist to such an extent.

[tango delta 1]

lonestar, on Feb 8 2010, 06:32 PM, said:

What a pathetic, politically correct, response. This woman has every right to be angry and to be honest, fearful. You might not accept that the sight of a Muslim on a London bus chanting could cause alarm and distress and it might affect your liberal values to learn that it does but do not insult this woman by saying what she should and should not fear.



If a white, Christian, British driver had stopped the bus and started praising Jesus in the aisles for five minutes he would have been removed from his position or at least suspended while an investigation took place, this is a clear example of companies being petrified to act in line with their normal policies when dealing with Muslims in case god forbid they might offend anyone.



Can anyone tell me why? How is a Muslim bus driver better than a Christian one, or Jewish, or Sikh, how is a foreign bus driver better than a British driver. Why must we always be told that more nationalities, languages and cultures = better than what we had before, why devalue ourselves like that, sure it is different, but what makes it so much better.

Personally I find that the bus service in London is not as good these days, the driving standards are worse, the safety standards are worse, the quality of English spoken by the drivers is much worse and so I would challenge them to find me the 'value' they speak of. Of course I am clearly a closet BNP supporter and a crazed racist for even challenging the mandatory PC view, however just once in a while it would be nice to a bit of fairness go the other way and a bit less blatant denial that the double standards exist to such an extent.

sorry if has upset you it was just a bit of lighthearted news.

[Fedster]

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What a pathetic, politically correct, response. This woman has every right to be angry and to be honest, fearful. You might not accept that the sight of a Muslim on a London bus chanting could cause alarm and distress and it might affect your liberal values to learn that it does but do not insult this woman by saying what she should and should not fear.

A while back The Sun ran a similar story and 1 of the passengers had filmed the Driver praying,The Sun made a big deal out of it, as the Daily Mail are, but it turned out the driver was on his break and was entitled to pray.I wouldnt be suprised if this was the same case here.This guy was not chanting, he was praying quitely,you do not chnat when you pray.

I still cannot see how a person on a prayer mat provokes such stupid,ignorant comments from those passengrs on the Bus,i bet whoever sold this story to the Daily Mail,is laughng with joy at how easy he/she has made money.

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If a white, Christian, British driver had stopped the bus and started praising Jesus in the aisles for five minutes he would have been removed from his position or at least suspended while an investigation took place, this is a clear example of companies being petrified to act in line with their normal policies when dealing with Muslims in case god forbid they might offend anyone.

Dont be so paronoid, i think if a Chrsitian did start praying on a Bus, all the Passengers would not be bothered 1 bit.

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Can anyone tell me why? How is a Muslim bus driver better than a Christian one, or Jewish, or Sikh, how is a foreign bus driver better than a British driver. Why must we always be told that more nationalities, languages and cultures = better than what we had before, why devalue ourselves like that, sure it is different, but what makes it so much better.

Personally I find that the bus service in London is not as good these days, the driving standards are worse, the safety standards are worse, the quality of English spoken by the drivers is much worse and so I would challenge them to find me the 'value' they speak of. Of course I am clearly a closet BNP supporter and a crazed racist for even challenging the mandatory PC view, however just once in a while it would be nice to a bit of fairness go the other way and a bit less blatant denial that the double standards exist to such an extent.

Who said a Mulsim driver is better than a Christian 1, apart from this non-story what evidence have you got to back up your claim?

[Søren]

lonestar, on Feb 8 2010, 06:32 PM, said:

What a pathetic, politically correct, response. This woman has every right to be angry and to be honest, fearful. You might not accept that the sight of a Muslim on a London bus chanting could cause alarm and distress and it might affect your liberal values to learn that it does but do not insult this woman by saying what she should and should not fear.



If a white, Christian, British driver had stopped the bus and started praising Jesus in the aisles for five minutes he would have been removed from his position or at least suspended while an investigation took place, this is a clear example of companies being petrified to act in line with their normal policies when dealing with Muslims in case god forbid they might offend anyone.

Much as it pains me to agree with Lonestar...

If I wasn't such a considerate chap I'd be saying that these God botherers need to wake up and smell the coffee. Their emperor truly has no clothes. He is simply their culture's comfort blanket, whatever culture that may be. They need to collectively gather their religions together and stuff them down the toilet pan, then we might see some global progress.

But for tonight, I feel considerate. They can play their own games with their own imaginary friend, (whatever one they were born into), but please lets keep the bloody buses running on time and stop frightening the locals.
:rolleyes:
:devil: :devil:

[lonestar]

Fedster, on Feb 8 2010, 06:45 PM, said:

Who said a Mulsim driver is better than a Christian 1, apart from this non-story what evidence have you got to back up your claim?

I am not referring to a specific claim, although the statement from the bus company infers that quality will improve the bigger the mix of staff backgrounds. I want to know why that is always assumed to be the case.

I am referring to the constant claim which crosses all career sectors that 'diversity is always better' whether it be religious, gender, nationality etc. Who decided at some point that we would value diversity so highly in Britain over so many other factors, who thought it was so important to push diversity to the top of the list of concerns of companies during recruitment processes and promotion reviews for example.

If you are telling me you have not heard this notion countless times you must be living in a different country.

[Fedster]

Søren, on Feb 8 2010, 06:54 PM, said:

Much as it pains me to agree with Lonestar...

If I wasn't such a considerate chap I'd be saying that these God botherers need to wake up and smell the coffee. Their emperor truly has no clothes. He is simply their culture's comfort blanket, whatever culture that may be. They need to collectively gather their religions together and stuff them down the toilet pan, then we might see some global progress.

But for tonight, I feel considerate. They can play their own games with their own imaginary friend, (whatever one they were born into), but please lets keep the bloody buses running on time and stop frightening the locals.
:rolleyes:
:devil: :devil:

Your base your point god doesnt exist on what exactly?

lonestar, on Feb 8 2010, 06:55 PM, said:

I am not referring to a specific claim, although the statement from the bus company infers that quality will improve the bigger the mix of staff backgrounds. I want to know why that is always assumed to be the case.

I am referring to the constant claim which crosses all career sectors that 'diversity is always better' whether it be religious, gender, nationality etc. Who decided at some point that we would value diversity so highly in Britain over so many other factors, who thought it was so important to push diversity to the top of the list of concerns of companies during recruitment processes and promotion reviews for example.

If you are telling me you have not heard this notion countless times you must be living in a different country.

Well let me try to answering your question, if i have understood correctly, and forgive me if i havent.

I feel "diversty is always better" because it is refreshing to see different kinds of people,different types of food from diiferent cultures, the Niche shops which give an added dimension to areas in major cities.

The list is endless

Hows that for an answer, or have i misunderstood your question/point?

[Søren]

Fedster, on Feb 8 2010, 07:02 PM, said:

Your base your point god doesnt exist on what exactly?

Let's try this for starters

• The diversity and beauty of nature on the planet asks thousands of unanswerable questions of the proponent of creationism or intelligent design. The diversity and beauty of nature is an absolutely 100% expected consequence of evolution via natural selection.

There is no need for a God as an answer to difficult questions.

• If (as seems abundantly clear) there never was a God, one would have to be invented, to provide an answer to the unanswerable questions of years ago, to provide an answer to the meaning of life, and to provide the eternal comfort blanket of hope. It can be seen that not only one God was invented, but thousands, each one different according to your birth location, although they would all presumably purport to not only have global, but universal dominion, depending on how much we knew at the time they were invented.

There is a desperate need to create a God as an answer to questions of comfort and purpose.

• There is no God’s Galapagos. If a Christian could show me a remote indigenously inhabited island where the Abrahamic God’s rules and interventions were the same as in the nestled religious core countries of the Abrahamic religions, then this would be a hugely credible factor supporting religion. If their God was omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, then undoubtedly we would have expected evidence of many separate original seats of the same religion. The fact that any one individual religion has attained global recognition has far more to do with the power of the group of nations in which the story has developed, and their human trade needs rather than any credible superiority of one religion over another.

Gods developed differently and memetically according to different cultures and needs.


Of course I can't say for definite there is no God, Can you prove there is no flying teapot between Neptune and Pluto?
If the Abrahamic God did exist he should be completely ashamed of himself

[lonestar]

Fedster, on Feb 8 2010, 07:02 PM, said:

Well let me try to answering your question, if i have understood correctly, and forgive me if i havent.

I feel "diversty is always better" because it is refreshing to see different kinds of people,different types of food from diiferent cultures, the Niche shops which give an added dimension to areas in major cities.

The list is endless

Hows that for an answer, or have i misunderstood your question/point?

I think you have understood for the most part, I guess it is personal opinion, I don't find it refreshing any more, I find it depressing to watch the face of my country changed so irreversibly so quickly. This is where we differ, the difference is you are lucky that your opinion means you are quite comfortable in modern Britain, unfortunately I am not so comfortable.

My issue is not that you feel differently to me, my issue is that at some point a decision or string of decisions were made which placed achieving diversity near the top of a list of priorities in this country and so many of us were never asked about the scale or speed of change that would come with it. I feel a slight resentment as a result which is why the constant assertions by people (often on my behalf when from government ministers etc.) that a multicultural, diverse society is so much better than the alternative and in the words of Harriet Harman is "what makes Britain great", really frustrate me.

[Fedster]

lonestar, on Feb 8 2010, 07:21 PM, said:

I think you have understood for the most part, I guess it is personal opinion, I don't find it refreshing any more, I find it depressing to watch the face of my country changed so irreversibly so quickly. This is where we differ, the difference is you are lucky that your opinion means you are quite comfortable in modern Britain, unfortunately I am not so comfortable.

My issue is not that you feel differently to me, my issue is that at some point a decision or string of decisions were made which placed achieving diversity near the top of a list of priorities in this country and so many of us were never asked about the scale or speed of change that would come with it. I feel a slight resentment as a result which is why the constant assertions by people (often on my behalf when from government ministers etc.) that a multicultural, diverse society is so much better than the alternative and in the words of Harriet Harman is "what makes Britain great", really frustrate me.

So why isnt a "multicultural, diverse society" better than the "alternative"?

[MadDogs&Englishmen]

'We live in a multi-cultural society but there is a time and a place for prayer and the middle of a journey with a busload of passengers is not it.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12...l#ixzz0eyMDm5A8

Sums it up nicely.

(Fedster) "Some of the comments in the article from the passengers are so pathetic, it is amazing they have been published,yes the driver should not have stopped to pray, but get over it, and stop being so ignorant."

Pathetic? Why? If someone genuinely feels afraid, who are you to call them pathetic? Does your religious experience trump the gut feelings of others?

It’s a reactionary piece of journalism, and here you are, taking a religious stance on the drivers thoughtless actions as if it’s all about religion and nothing else. He made a very silly decision to do what he did, when he did, without reference to his passengers… And here you are defending religion… Why? Forget all the “diversity” issues, what he did was unprofessional, and within the realms of negative criticism by a country mile.

I’d have been of the same opinion whichever religion was used as a sticking plaster to makes something so plainly incorrect seem palatable.

[Fedster]

MadDogs&Englishmen, on Feb 8 2010, 07:27 PM, said:

'We live in a multi-cultural society but there is a time and a place for prayer and the middle of a journey with a busload of passengers is not it.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12...l#ixzz0eyMDm5A8

Sums it up nicely.

(Fedster) "Some of the comments in the article from the passengers are so pathetic, it is amazing they have been published,yes the driver should not have stopped to pray, but get over it, and stop being so ignorant."

Pathetic? Why? If someone genuinely feels afraid, who are you to call them pathetic? Does your religious experience trump the gut feelings of others?

It’s a reactionary piece of journalism, and here you are, taking a religious stance on the drivers thoughtless actions as if it’s all about religion and nothing else. He made a very silly decision to do what he did, when he did, without reference to his passengers… And here you are defending religion… Why? Forget all the “diversity” issues, what he did was unprofessional, and within the realms of negative criticism by a country mile.

I’d have been of the same opinion whichever religion was used as a sticking plaster to makes something so plainly incorrect seem palatable.

Sorry did you miss the part when i said he should not have done what he did.

But to suggest a terrorist attack was imminent is really PATHETIC,talk about being OTT.

Again i think whoever sold this story is absolutely loving it, i would not be suprised if some of the passengers did not exagreatte thier accounts a wee bit for the Daily Mail

[lonestar]

Fedster, on Feb 8 2010, 07:25 PM, said:

So why isnt a "multicultural, diverse society" better than the "alternative"?

I started writing a long reply to that question but it will do nothing but cause a row, I have been down that road before on this particular site and with some of the militant PC brigade that lurk about i'd rather not go there again.

[merlotmonster]

Theres nothing worse then feeling real fear of a terror attack. I remember my sister telling me about the experience she had when she was coming home from London on a packed commuter train, shortly after 7/7. A woman stood up and announced to the carriage 'there is a reason why we are all here today'..she was carrying a rucksack and my sister was terrified and convinced she was going to blow the carriage up. Then the woman started spouting about god!!! She got shouted down rather aggressively! If someone does something out of the ordinary it may rightly seem very suspicious. Even now when I go to London Im very aware of people around me as the terror threat is still very real in peoples minds, especially if you were caught up in the carnage that day.

[MadDogs&Englishmen]

Fedster, on Feb 8 2010, 07:31 PM, said:

Sorry did you miss the part when i said he should not have done what he did.

I did. It was the "...but get over it, and stop being so ignorant." Bit that I found completely uncalled for, and also extremely arrogant.

[desmata]

Personaly if i was on a bus in london, after the bombings and for no apparant reason the driver started to pray i would and i think rightfully, think what the hell is going on and probably want to get off the bus pdq, and im a police officer.

If the driver stopped to eat a sarnie then i wouldnt mind, i would be irritated. I take no issue with people having been scared. Yes it may have been blown out of proportion but still, imagine it happening on a plane? especially if its the pilot? :sweatingbullets: